Alien Awakening Timeline

I think if awakening is set on origae 6 with davids experiments in full swing then id say the engineers and any company ship will have to arrive roughly about the same time. perhaps have the humans arrive only to discovery what hes been up to then for the engineers to arrive and try and wipe everything on the planet out only for david to escape. I don't think they can tie into alien in just one more movie. they need at least one more after awakening and to me, the final one sees david return to the area around lv223/ lv426.

It would be cool if they return to LV223 and find the deacon on their backtracking search for David...

I agree, id love to see what became of the deacon. its a fresh inclusion into the franchise and to have leave it as is would be an opportunity wasted imo, same if we don't see more neomorphs. but I don't know if it will be lv223 we see. logic would suggest lv223 would be the desired location for david or the engineers to head for as there isn't anything on lv426, or is there. im confused. do the weyland files exist? or will it be a case of they existed just for them to entice ppl to buy the blu ray for the bonus material but now their farther along wev to forget that? im hoping there is and the derelict is already on lv426. please give the fans that at least

I meant the Engineers might go to LV223 following clues, while trying to find out where David is headed. They could have an awesome adult deacon scene even if its only a 5-10 min thing long their journey to find David. I'm interested in seeing what Orgae 6 is all about. It was described as less hospitable than Planet 4. 

don't see how going to lv223 would lead them to figure out david is headed to origae 6. only walter would be able to mention origae 6 or maybe the engineers have tech sats in orbit that captures the covenant leaving the planet.

by less hospitable u mean after david arrives or its naturally inhospitable?

My basic overview from what we have seen recently of the franchise is this, Humans discover a facility that was planning to destroy Earth. One human and an AI go and find the planet where they think the Engineers come from and destroy it by using Engineer technology.  The AI we know as David has then hijacked a colony ship and headed off to Origae 6, or maybe not.

What I think stands out here is that there is a chance the Engineers could be left with the impression that humans are more advanced than they think and are quite capable of destroying them. I think there is a case that the Engineers could over estimate human capability and might not want to seek a direct confrontation with humans.

I personally think that AC is a giant plot device and something of a filler that can be used to place David somewhere in the universe to carry out his fiendish experiments and reappear at some point with his results.

When Ridley said the beast was cooked, and looking at the role of the xeno in AC, I’m left thinking that maybe he felt that for his purposes of telling the story he wants to tell, inclusion of the xeno would not really add anything to the story apart from satisfy those that wanted to see it.

I don’t really see the next movie putting all of its spotlight onto David’s adventures on Origae 6, but I do think it will appear to some extent. My guess is that WY will send out some exploratory exploration/investigation unit to establish what happened on LV223. Something like this could imo come off as a mash up of Event Horizon and Predator. A rescue mission done as a futuristic black op for WY. Something like that could open the door to create action scenes, whilst being able to explore more about the Engineers and ending up with David’s experiments appearing on the horizon just in time to present an opportunity for the next movie down the line.

I don’t really think that the franchise has been written into a corner. I think there is still plenty of scope to recover things and keep most people happy. I just don’t expect to see many xeno’s, but more of something different.

Indeed it all goes to show how they have written themselves into a corner with AC.

When David sends the messages in the Advent Prologue, if the company had not followed up what happened to Prometheus you can be sure they would do so NOW.. They would surely send one mission to Origae-6 and find out what David was on about, and then send another to where the Prometheus went missing.

In order to try and work out where we are going next we need to look at what Alien Covenant had shown us, and then Ridley Scotts comments....

*Does it appear David is responsible for the Xenomorph?  YES

*Does it appear these sequels will link to Alien? YES

So at some point Davids Creations in their Thousands have to end up on LV-426, and in a Engineer Ship, so we have to logically ask the following.

*How does Davids TWO Face Huggers lead to Thousands of Eggs?

*How do they end up on a Engineer Ship?

*Why is a Engineer Ship in the LV-223/426 System when its far from Origae-6

These Events that Eventually will Yield us the Answers to the Derelict, and right now it appears David is off to Origae-6, with Thousands of Colonist... However he may not plan to initially turn them all into Eggs. This is because RS is pondering what kind of a World would David Create?  But this could mean he will set up Shop on Origae-6 and create THOUSANDS of Eggs from the Colonist... but this would make it a very ALIEN movie. And RS said the Xenomorph wont feature as much as AI

The Advent Prologue has set up that the Company would be in the know... we dont know how long before they receive the information, but i will assume they do so before David arrives at Origae-6, will the company send in innocents to fall foul to Davids Creations?  This makes little sense unless AI is pulling the strings.

So the company will be arriving at Oriagae-6, but also the Engineers and i feel THIS is where the Derelict will surely come from, its interesting to suggest they go to LV-223 first, but i think they would again like i said with the WY company.. Logically the Engineers would send ONE ship to Origae-6 and another to LV-223

I do get what ur saying and I agree toning back the xeno a bit would probably be in its best interests but it is the alien franchise. he could have made AC with just the neomorph. tone back on the xeno but give us something fresh and show us that david is progressing with his experiments. plus shitting on the engineers wasn't a great move in opinion.

@ Big Dave. I find it all too easy to agree with what you are saying, and that’s what bothers me. What you have pointed makes a lot of sense and appears to be a very logical progression for the general storyline. Maybe it is a little too predictable for me and that’s where I have a problem. Has Ridley really become that predictable in his story telling, or would he look for a different way to tell the story?

“…..you can be sure they would do so NOW..”  When exactly is now?

When the Prometheus did not return, was anything done about it soon after? The reason for asking this question is that if a mission went to explore what had happened to the Prometheus, surely it would have happened before the Covenant went missing. This is where I feel there is room for introducing another aspect to the overall storyline. I think it might be a big enough window of opportunity to introduce something different

One of the pilots said that Orgae 6 is less hospitable than Planet 4 while the captain was deciding whether or not to go to Planet 4. 

@ali81

Indeed the introduction of the Xenomorph, was done so poorly because it was never given enough time to do justice and the time taken on it, really did just take away time to explore either some of the Prometheus themes or the Neomorphs...

Oram should have been infected late on,  and have the Neomorphs replace the Xenomorph attack Scenes, and then have Oram taken to the Lander with David (pretending to be WALTER) and have the survivors think its Walter too.

This would allow TWO 3rd acts... either

1) Have it when the crew are settling in for their last hours on the ship before going into Cryo-sleep, that Oram then Chest Bursts and David keeps it Secret, then allowing this Xenomorph to go and hunt down Hicks and Upworth in the Shower, then give us more time where the Xenomorph can hunt down and kill LOPE before  getting killed off by Daniels...

2) As above (have LOPE Die in the Lander Escape Scene vs Neomorph) but have the surviving crew make it back and then David checks on Daniels as she goes into Cryo-sleep and have her ask how Oram is and Walter (David) say he is doing fine, i have placed him in Cryo-sleep)..  Then Proceed with the rest of the David tucking Daniels Scene in and replace the Face Hugger Embryos, with a Chest Busting Oram as the closing Scene with David looking on.

THESE would have allowed more time to be given between the build up of Characters, Neomorph Scene or the scenes that reveal what happened when David and Shaw arrived. I feel ONE of these kinds of Xenomorph Encounters, plus a extra 30 min run time would have allowed other areas of the movie to be explored in more depth and made a MUCH better movie.

@Critters5

Indeed Origae-6 must have been less ideal, but still a World that would require very little Terra-forming and this place apparently would have had Water etc, and been Habitable just maybe not as suited as Planet 4. Pretty much like on Earth certain Continents are less Fertile than others.

Big Dave:

I wonder how the Engineers would react when they saw what David had done and so on. I guess that they would not be happy but I would like to see a short scene connected to it at least. They don't need to spend a lot of time on that just some minutes (maybe two) with some dialogue that makes sense so we get some idea of what they will do next. Hopefully they will be featured in the movie enough to make an impact on the story so we don't get a movie that is totally focused on David.

It doesn't matter to me who the main characters are as long as they are sympathetic enough and well done. To me it would be a surprise if Daniels or Tennesee will survive into the next movie. My guess is that they will have to try something better with the characters that will show up in the next movie.

My idea is that the revelation that David is not Walter could be a starting-point for some interesting action scenes when that happens. Let's say that they believe that David is Walter and for some reason David starts to act suspicious so they sort of find that out and when that happens David goes crazy so we might get some action scenes like some of those scenes that we have in Aliens for example when they try to get from the Xenos in Aliens in the end when Gorman, Vasques, Hicks, Ripley and Newt try to get to the ship as far as the pacing is concerned. To me some more scenes like that could make up for the slow parts in AC if they get the characters right so we care for them. Maybe there could be some David and the monsters versus the colonist kind of action scenes although I believe that scenes that build up tension are more interesting if they end up in a way that suits the movie. I don't want action scenes just for the sake of including that to make up for AC, they got to make sense also.

Perhaps there don't need to be guns and explosions but some dark corridors and what ever. Perhaps they don't have guns so they will need to have other weapons or the guns get destroyed and what not. It doesn't have to be no guns (Alien 3) or a lot of them (Aliens) but rather that their weapon supply is limited because they never though that they would have to deal with a threat like that. Eventually this could give us some unexpected scenes in some way. With unexpected scenes I mean those that make sense in the context of the movie and that makes you react like "that was interesting and well done, good". Action and fear are two parts that I think that the next Alien movie got to have, more than AC at least but that should not be very difficult compared to what they gave us in the previous movie.
As far as a colony is concerned you have Hadleys Hope from Aliens so they could find some inspiration there. To my knowledge the only time that we have seen a colony this far is in Aliens. See how that was built and how the environment looked like (buildings, lightning, and so on) and see how you could use what was good about it and what you can do to make it different. Hopefully they will make that other colony have a sort of identity of its own so it looks different enough so to speak because there is no point in having a sort of Hadley's Hope part 2. Interesting environments is not what I am worried about when it comes to Ridley, my worries are about other things.

"But the set up now is to link back to ALIEN, they have to have some Human Characters Survive to move onto the next movie for it to work, so it will be tricky for how this is handled, because if the Engineers turn up we have to ask would they want any Humans to Survive?"

If they will act the way that the Engineer did in Prometheus then I doubt it but it would be interesting.