The worst in the series

Kind of hard to believe your theory of investigating some strange signal but even more difficult to believe you didn't spell check yourself 1.ludicrious 2.insinuiate

Well, the critics are "half/half", fortunatelly the flick has more positive critics then bad, so the chance for sequel ist there. According to the story and especially ending there MUST be a sequel, or Prometheus is more or less senseless. I think the most people who are positive about the outcome simply WISH it would have been even better, but compared to most other sci-fi plots Prometheus is a masterpiece. Haha. I am also frustrated more or less, maybe i simply expected a movie wich will really touch you, but i am more touched about some kind of "Ähh... thats ALL?.." And hundreds unanswered questions in your head. But its not only that - there are so many holes and sequences which are simply not authentic / make you laugh cause so stupid that i had to RAPE MY MIND to enjoy it lil bit...

This website is timing out alot and excuse the spelling errors and typos but this review hits it on the nail on what I wanted to express. [url=http://www.justpressplay.net/reviews/9485-prometheus.html]bad review like mine[/url]

[i]. Ripley, you are responsible for the best and the worst of the series.[/i] You mean RiDley... Ellen Ripley didn't direct it :) [i]The idea of a humanoid alien species created life on Earth is so damn ludicrious that should have never made the first draft. To insinuiate that the Space Jockey underneath is a huge humanoid creature resembling us spoils the series even more.[/i] We have to suspend what we know about DNA and evolution as well, the DNA was broken into fragments, and billions of years later, the chance of anything looking like the Engineers is astronomically unlikely. It also takes away from the utter strangeness of the space jockey, but it's necessary to go with the mythology theme of "Prometheus" and fire from the gods.... which is Lindelhofs entire script really. I think it's a lazy idea held by someone who thinks it's a huge concept. [i]Fassenbender did a good job as an android but Ash (Ian Holm) and Bishop (Lance Henricksen) were much better. They should have went with a female robot this time around and actually Vickers could have played that part than trying to match Paul Reiser's Burke character in Aliens. [/i] I disagree that it would be better with Vickers should have been an android, or that she was trying to match Paul Reiser's Burke. In fairness Burke was a slimeball, Vickers is visibly upset and concerned for the crew at times, but she doesn't show it in big ways cos she's got this whole control thing going on. [i]Also, able to breathe on the planet was ridiculous. At least in Aliens, it made it plausible that the planet was breathable since in the future, humans can now terra form planets and make them breathable. [/i] It's not really ridiculous. The planet may have been at one time a thriving colony, that was later devastated by war, hence the hardened underground bunkers for the ships and the WMD labs, and the need to create a breathable environment inside. A giant atmosphere processor to do the whole planet would be an easy target. This could solve a mystery of why the Engineers, if they created life on earth for 'good reasons' pointed the way to a place of death.... all we know is the cave paintings are 35,000 years old, and the Engineers working on the WMDs died 2,000 years ago, so perhaps LV-223 was more than just those bunkers and temples when the last Engineers visited Earth. I find it a bit odd that they chose Carbon Monoxide as the pollutant, as it breaks down readily in the atmosphere to from CO2 and ozone, and it's lighter than air. Perhaps the planet has a lot of volcanic activity, but CO is lighter than air, so shouldn't be in 3% concentrations at ground level surely? [i]It seems the movie was purposely sabotaged for some reason.[/i] I don't think so. I think it was a great director working with a crap writer, and unfortunately, Ridley not being much on scripts, didn't smell the crap dripping from it. With any film like Alien (1979) there can be problems. Alien did NOT set itself up for a sequel... much as studios would like to milk success. What Cameron did right was have a very credible reason to revisit LV 426, and reopen the story. Alien 3 did not have this, except by simply ignoring the unlikelihood that the Queen got a chance to lay an egg on the Sulaco... and that Ripley, having been through enough crap, was NEVER going to sleep again without checking every dark corner for nasty creatures. And Resurrection? Awful.. Ripley incinerated herself, and they clone her? From what sample? So, Ridley Scott is looking for someone to come up with a reason to re-enter this universe without making the mistakes that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection did in their premises. I'm sure it looked good on paper, and the giant, greek statue looking Engineers looked impressive on scene one... but the idea of exogenesis is just so much hokum... which Alien and Aliens never had. Why not simply have a new generation pick up on what the Weyland Yutani Corp already knew about this creature from the first 4 films.... and base an expedition on that? There's no reason that this has to pre-date the timeframe of "Alien" unless some action in the next installment leads to the crash on LV-426... which would have to clear up some other chronology issues (perhaps Dallas's idea that the Space Jockey was 'fossilised' by thousands of years is just wrong, because he thinks that exo-suit is its skin (and anyway, where would the minerals, dust come from to fossilie it? There's little to nothing blowing in from outside. ) It would have been simpler to carry on the struggle between caring humans who want to do away with nasty aliens and their space jockey creators, versus greedy corporate types who want it for bioweapons division. It would make it easier to explain the much better looking technology too. (Even taking into account that the Prometheus may be cutting edge for 2093 and Nostromo may be already an old mining vessel, possibly older than the Prometheus, the difference in technology is sharp... low definition monitors etc) But someone either couldn't come up with a story, and went with a lazy - "lets involve religion and mythology line" and/or wanted to touch on some rosetta stones for the franchise... Meet the famous Weyland for example... Thus Lindelhof decided to add an old mythology onto a perfectly good (and scientifically credible) mythological universe that we've already bought into as the Alien series. And make the film about philosophy of 'why are we here, and he fails to put a decent story around that concept. I'm not sure if it's worse than Resurrection. I thought resurrection was a circle jerk in that they decided to have fun and hit a lot of buttons, Ripley is reborn as a kick ass clone, with telepathic connections to the Xenomorphs, and a suggestion of some sort of sexual experience with them. This is after Alien 3 has her self sacrifice by diving in a crucifiction pose into fire... which all seemed far too contrived for my taste. This film has an awful premise, and weak story, which I suspect is down to lack of talent, and effort, and a priority in setting things up for a sequel, where it's hoped to push this 'big question' further. In my opinion, they are trying our patience with this 'big question' by sacrificing the quality of this film to set up the next.

The predators engineer us and aliens for the sport. Humans have been by far the most challenging. We go find our creators, the ugly, badass and strange predator creature....but please no humanoid... seems AVP > Prometheus.

I am really surprised at all the bad mouthing critics, if you can write a better story then do it... I really liked this movie and I did not expect a cookie cutter of Aliens as it appears so many others did. I like the original direction and could have watched another 2 hours of the chase to the next world. I think too many people forget that JJ Abrams helped with this and is known for pulling you down a path to trick you and your preconceived ideas. I don't think the engineers are who you think they are and I don't think the planet is what you think it is...did none of you watch any LOST episodes? This is the classic bait and switch and I am all in, but I know something you don't. GREAT MOVIE

Hadley, Thanks for the robust response and from your remarks about milking the series; this was obviously done for the same reasons. There was no effort in this story and a waste of talent. So far this summer is not impressing me with any of its releases except for The Avengers thus far. I cant believe they pushed GI Joe 2 to the right. Prometheus warrants a Feb/Mar release not summer popcorn fare. And yes; I meant Ridley not Ripley lol

@RedLeader, I agree. AVP is a better film than Prometheus. Prometheus just has the bigger budget, sets and special effects.

@RedLeader, I agree. AVP is a better film than Prometheus. Prometheus just has the bigger budget, sets and special effects.

@Damery. Opinions will vary since we all have our own eyes. It is like looking at a woman and some say sexy and some say ugly lol. But I know quality and in my opinion; this was not it. Like I said, I started watching this series since it first started and it has gone downhill after Aliens.

I have been looking forward to this for 30 years since I somehow persuaded my dad to let me watch Alien at 12 years old. I can't feel remotely middle of the road about it. It's simply love and hate. LOVED Fassbander - what a talent and superbly cast in Prometheus. The cobra alien - an absolutely perfect, beautiful and terrifying other-worldly creation. It looked almost real. Superbly realised and with great potential. Each and every one of holographic scenes, the breath-taking star room made all the more magnificent in 3d and also, the creepy running engineers. That scene made the hair on my neck stand on edge. Brilliant. HATED The dull and poorly executed Caesarian calamari. The giant baldy dim-witted thug of an engineer. The oddly familiar and unadventurous giant kraken creature. The sickly-sweet, invasive and disengaging score. The multitude of ill-defined bit characters that came and went without rhyme or reason, I can't name half of them, who were they? I'm sure some random guy turned up with an Irish accent. Where the hell did he come from, where did he go? Weyland - the totally unconvincing make up, his cheesy lines, everything. The ending - unless I am mistaken the first alien ship was riddled with contagion. Quite courageus to jump in another. 30 years....

Seriously? Worse than AVP? The same AVP that says predators, who love tropical climates and heat create a temple in FREAKING ANTARCTICA? That a chestburster can shoot out in freaking 10 minutes unless you need a script boost and then it can wait over an hour until the impregnated predator is on its ship? That a girl in nothing but tights can run around in ANTARCTIC NIGHT outrunning an Alien queen the size of a frickin' T-rex? Let's not even talk about taking the head of an acid-bleeding alien and make it a "fit on the skin" arm shield for a girl who can somehow kill aliens with zero training while predators drop like flies. Riiiiiiiiiiight. Gotta love internet overreaction. If you don't dig it, fine. But to say that the film has logic issues and say they are worse than the tripe that is AVP is just crazy go nuts!

That is my opinion. I felt I was better entertained by the AVP movies. I was yawning on this one and did not mind to take a urine break and miss whatever lol

@colonial soldier - Dont worry about the spell checks bro - The content of what you say is 100% accurate. Agree with everything you said. Your opinion in my opinion is spot on. I get the feeling a lot of people on this forum are in denial and dont understand crucial elements of filmmaking.......LIKE A SCRIPT, STORY, SCREENPLAY, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. To be honest what makes a GREAT film are two simple things. Characters and story...... Prometheus is an EPIC FAIL with regards to those two simple elements.

I'm didn't enjoy Prometheus either. I'm not sure where I place it with Alien 3 and 4 so will have to watch it again before I decide. If they make Prometheus 2 and Jesus turns out to be an engineer then I hope someone comes along and rules them not canon with a remake in the future. To find out that the space jockey in Alien was a relative of jesus would be more than I could bear.

right on with Colonial on most every point! They should have stayed with the original writers and just leave the viral stuff to Lindelof(f) as in stay off films and stick with TV...it's WAY too big for you.

I think Ridley has gone senile. I was soon anxious to see this film! Alien has been my favorite movie since I was 12 years old. It still scares me when I watch it today! Prometheus was the worst thing i've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No imagination, weak plot, horrible concept and story!!!!! Giger should have been involved. Better writers should have been involved. No answers were given. The monsters were "plastic" and not scary. I am thoroughly disappointed!!!!!!!

The High Priest hits the nail on the head once again. I really feel that people are in huge denial on this site. I don't get it. I think they viewed it with their mind made up that it was going to be great regardless, whereas we viewed with a clean slate and no expectations. Please just let go of the denial guys

Or maybe, just maybe, they liked the film. You didn't, so be it. Others did, so be it. But for anyone to say they were entertained by AVP, that's to me how you feel of someone being entertained by Prometheus. AVP was nonsensical tripe with zero character develpment, plot contrivances and holes miles wide, bad visual fx and pacing like a 7-year old on pixy stix. For me, Prometheus is the beginning of something bigger, setting up a new universe for stories. If any of you deny that the visual fx of that film weren't amazing, it may be you in denial. It wasn't perfect, not by a long shot. I need to see it again before I can make a stronger opinion of it, but I found it interesting and its greatest weakness was its slavish connection to Alien versus being its own thing. If you went in thinking it was a true Alien prequel, I can see how you'd not like it, but all of this "worst film ever" crap has to end. There are FAR worse films in existence (Mortal Kombat, Superman 4, Green Lantern and any film ever on MST3' for example).

@High Priest - Thanks man. The comments about the spelling errors were funny and my point was made. Again, the film had me totally baffled on why they could not come up with a better story to link the two movies. I am just waiting the US box office tallies over the weekend and lets see it earns something. I think it will take a big nose dive after negative word of mouth gets around but again Transformers 2 was critically panned and made bank.

@Kevin - I do agree with you about the set design. It was good but it wasn't groundbreaking. The only thing unique is actually seeing a "facehugger" impregnate by the mouth. That was never shown in the other movies. Regardless, I just expected it to be filmed differently. And about the AVP remarks. I like AVP Requiem because I am a soldier and former Marine and I like action that involves using the military.

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@colonian soldier That's right son! The movie, while being visually ok, simply took bits and pieces from the Alien univers, threw them in in order to bait us, older fans, but not too much in order to still have then would-be new fans flooding the theaters. An Alien movie for the Bieber generation. And the Lost generation. Why did Fassbender infected Holloway? No point!!!! Really! Lost-style, pointless thing that looked to be going miles ahead, but ended up taking 30 mins of the screen time before it died down. I just saw the movie. I'm furious! I was cheated. I am a long and a die-hard Alien movies fan and they let me down. I want my money back.

If the Alien as we all know, only comes out at the end, and only after the genetic black goo first incorporates a small worm (which we see in the footsteps of Fassbender as they enter the pyramid), and out comes a wormy alien, then goes through a human male body, then through a human woman body, then finally - last phase - through an Engineer's body - why do we have since the beginning the shape of the alien queen painted on the black walls of the Head Room? Why, if the only was we get there is by future action?!??!?!?! Come on - maybe my English is failing me now but - I know you guys understand what I'm saying!

I just saw the movie today. I don't hate it because it's not Alien. I hate it because it was awful. The only character I liked was David. The rest I didn't care if they died or not. Translation: poor character development. The story was too weak and predictable. Nothing surprised me. Even at the end. As a stand alone movie it falls short. Just a big budget B movie. When Ridley Scott said to set your expectation bar lower he didn't say how low. He should have said "I have George Lucas's disease. Expect a turd. " Seriously, the popcorn was better than the movie.

Let's not forget that Kane was a complete tool himself. Entered chamber, falls, decides to touch the egg, egg makes a shock noise, I say black goo starts to pour up it, it opens, he looks down in the egg and gets a hug. I know the team was really a odd mix of people but the original crew was no better except they started to communicate with each other for a little while anyway. I am also on the side that they didn't make the Aliens, they found them at some point. They mention in the film that they made weapons of mass but really aren't the Humans worse then Aliens when it comes to destruction, consuming and resilience?

@unitymind Ahhhhhh! your shortsightedness reveals itself!! In Alien Kane has superb character development - He eagerly volunteers to go out on the mission. When they see the derelict - quote "weve come this far, we must go on. We have to go on!" Once inside the derelict his ardent ferver and curiosity overwhelm him once again as he finds the Jockey, he finds the hole in the floor, he once again volunteers to go down into the chamber. The whole film beautifully builds that character trait and it is played with awesome aplomb by John Hurt. It is completely believable that when the egg opens up, Kane will look inside. The whole movie has spent its gloriously crafted script on letting us know Kane is one curious mofo. Case in point Alien - Awesome screenplay, character development Prometheus - Dog shit screenplay. Dog shit characters

@The High Priest You touch on something that I don't think gets discussed much, but is absolutely critical to understanding one of the things that made Alien great and Prometheus such a disaster. In Alien, everything the crew did made sense in terms of their individual character traits. Kane was curious, Lambert apprehensive, Dallas aloof, etc... What the characters did was reasonable, and the way the film unfolds seems inevitable. We get none of that in Prometheus. One of the things that doesn't get mentioned is that in Alien there were several missed opportunities to avoid the disaster. In fact every single character had something to contribute to making the disaster what it was. Someone in one of the forums said that if they had listened to Parker "why don't they just freeze him" then there wouldn't have been a movie. And that is the point I think, that we are terrified because subconsciously we realize that all these seemingly insignificant events ("freeze him", "lets get the hell out of here", "if I break quarantine we could all die") create a chain of events that ends up leading to horrific, inevitable doom. Alien is scary because it could have happened to us. Another point I want to make about Alien that I find endlessly interesting is that every character seems to have a weakness that contributes to their downfall. Dallas - lack of leadership -- as a captain he doesn't act very captain like until it is too late. If he had only taken control of the situation earlier, overrulled ash, enforced quarantine, things would have turned out different. In the end, it was his watch, and Dallas let the disaster unfold. Kane - reckless curiosity -- this one is obvious. If it weren't for Kane they'd have gotten the hell out of the derelict as Lambert suggested. Kane keeps pushing to learn more, even as the Egg ominously opens/pulsates. He pays the ultimate price for his curiosity, and dooms the crew in the process. Lambert - fear -- she is ultimately undone by her fear. She becomes more and more unglued as the film progresses, to the point where she is frozen with fear when confronted by the Alien. If she had been able to control it, to "get out of the way" as Parker pleaded, then perhaps the only "real" opportunity to defeat the Alien would not have been wasted, and the two of them would still be alive. Parker - bravado/impulsiveness - This was also a strength and made him one of the most likely choices to survive the encounter. Parker had the only "real" opportunity to defeat the alien, holding the flamethrower while the Alien was focused on Lambert. However he instead chose to engage the alien by hand, and paid with his life. His greatest strength, bravery, counted for nothing because of one impulsive decision. Brett -- apathy - he drifts through the movie letting other make decisions for him. He doesn't want to be responsible, and is content letting others run the show. When faced with the Alien he doesn't know what to do. In the end, as with everyone else, he lets the Alien have it's way with him, Ash - well he's the robot with an agenda so it's not quite the same as we are glad when he dies. Still he is undone by his own secrecy and dishonesty. Ripley saw it, and eventually unmasked Ash. Ash would have been outed earlier by Dallas had he shown any leadership. Ripley - no real weakness -- and in the end the only survivor of the ordeal. She displayed the leadership that Dallas lacked. She chose to do things by the book, enforce quarantine, she took the initiative to decode the derelicts message, and volunteered to go into the ducts. The ONLY reason she survives the ordeal is that she doesn't have any of the faults that the other characters have. Again, the terror of the Alien is knowing subconsciously that it uses our own faults and weaknesses to destroy us. It shows us our own weaknesses and destroys us in the process. Every opportunity to avoid the disaster was wasted. It's as if the actions and character of each crew member let to their own demise. The crew doomed itself. The Alien was just the catalyst. Now compare this to Prometheus. Well, clearly there is no comparison. The characters didn't act consistently enough from scene to scene to even gauge their internal motivations or faults. Like they didn't even care themselves. We aren't even sure half the time why they are doing what they are doing. Why take off the helmet? Overconfident? OK, but why would everyone else follow him? How does the person who mapped the caves get lost? Doesn't he even care? Who led this mission and was responsible for it? Everyone went their own way. What was David's agenda? Was he hero or villain? Etc... Comparing it to Alien: what were the missteps that the Prometheus crew made? What were the missed opportunities? How did the crew destroy itself? In the end nothing made much sense. People got lost for no reason. Motivations changed for no reason. People died for no reason. We are left empty handed. The only possible explanation is that the crew is much, much stupider than we are. Gone are all traces of the subconscious emotional impact that Alien had. The Prometheus disaster couldn't have happened to any of us. And we take comfort in knowing that, the implausibility of the movie. We can sit safely and smugly in our seats and watch as stupid people do stupid things and end up in a stupid situation. There is no terror here. There is no threat. I think this is the "root" of all of the myriad problems with the film. It's what we loved about Alien. It's what we wanted Ridley to deliver again. Existential terror. The Alien shows us what we are, then kills us. Long winded, but my 2 cents.

@LordFrito, I just saw your response right now to my thread that I created. I found it because I typed "Prometheus worse in the series" in google. I have to applaud you on your response. You clearly articulated why Alien was a superior movie to Prometheus.

Who cares about the plot holes (AKA open-for-debate-scenes)? Who cares about the unexplained origins of humanity? Who cares about the xenos apearing or not in the film? This movie kills the Space Jockey and replaces it with something else. The first one was a simbol of the vastness and oddness of a universe that doesn't care about our beliefs, the engineers are just the opposite, humanity as creators-created (my main language isn't english, so don't be rude about my language if it's sometimes unacurate; I hope you understand what I'm trying to say). Those who say that a human SJ doesn't conflict the canon even slightly, has obviously missed the 30 years of comics and books about elefantine ETs. Prometheus fans: Can you promise me that when the original Alien was made, their makers were thinking "hehe, we're fooling the public, we depict the SJ with words like "extraterrestrial", "fossil" and "bones" in order to fool them and surprise them later with a HUMAN in a suit"? Can you?